A win-win game is designed in a way that all participants can profit from it in one way or the other and that is what designed by parties like RSS, Panthic.org, Ajit Newspaper, Spokesman & many other bodies which plan to divide Sikhs among themselves. Their common agenda is "Je Sikh Sikh ko Maare, Tabhi Ye Kaum Haare".
Panthic.org, Ajit Newspaper, Spokesman or others are playing in the hands either for or against two well known Sikh bodies DSGMC or SGPC.
I still remember the days when we used to visit Panthic.org for information about Sikhi, but now-a-days they are focussing to create negativity among the panth. Recently they started calling Prof. Sahib as Masand as their unit is financially runned by RSS-linked leader G.S.Lamba & started rumours about Prof Sahib that he is anti-panthic and neglecting Dasam Granth & nitnem banis. Instead Prof Sahib never opposed Nitnem Banis proof of which is available in below recordings
http://www.mediafire.com/?gpieyisuzu0
http://www.mediafire.com/?mmdmwdy93fn
The Panthic.org Delhi Unit is keeping vigil eye on DSGMC as financed by SGPC so that even a single mistake caught can be published on site and we can get maximum hits on our site forgetting the real purpose of Sikhism ie Parchar... Panthic supports so called Dasam Granth so whosever saying against it will be presented on homepage of Panthic.org as Masand... :)
Same way Ajit Newspaper waiting to write about DSGMC and spokesman on SGPC or vice-versa.
We are not against Panthic.org however we really feel that instead it supports Dasam Granth and run under political or financal influence of G.S.Lamba or others, they should focus more on promoting Sikhi as what our Guru's did and focus on Sikh Rehat Maryada(Sikh Code of Conduct) available.
It is the time when all bodies should focus more on real values of Sikhi and leave all negativity aside only then our panth will be Chardi Kala
Panth Dardi
Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Tuesday, March 11, 2008
G.S.Lamba - Dasam Granth Seminar - 'Know The Truth'
A seminar was organized in Bradshaw Gurdwara in Sacramento, CA in February 2008 where the speakers supposedly discussed Dasam Granth. I could not get enough time to watch all videos in one go, but made sure to first listen to Gurcharanjit Singh Lamba who is very proactive on the topic. For some reason, he sounded like coming from the same training system as that of Dr. (phony) Amarjit Singh (http://www.khalistan-affairs.org). In his entire ~ 54 mins of talk, G. S. Lamba rarely talks/cites from AGGS. However, what he does cite is “jugo jug atal Ram Katha” and tries to incite violent reaction against anybody who raises a question on content of Dasam Granth. For this, he could be charged with instigating hatred and violence in the U.S. under the law.
In the video, G. S. Lamba is saying that just like Akaal Takhat is needed in addition to Golden Temple , Dasam Granth is needed in addition to AGGS. He says that things which have not been said clearly in AGGS have been told clearly in Dasam Granth. So according to G. S. Lamba, AGGS does not give clear message and Dasam Granth is needed to understand it. Then he says that we talk about 4 things. AGGS talks about dharam and moksh but it does not talk about the other 2 which are covered by Dasam Granth. I have not heard anything more illiterate than this. If Dasam Granth was intended to complete the voidness (according to G. S. Lamba), then does it mean the Guru Gobind Singh made mistake by not asking Sikhs to take Dasam Granth as Guru as well?
He says that AGGS is for all but Akal Takhat is for Sikhs only. And then says that -"Khalse de jede faraz hann, unna the prapti sanu sirf Dasam Granth ton hi prapat hovegi." This statement is nothing more than gobbledygook. What "farz" is he talking about here, one gets no idea?
He continues with funny statement that we have got so much freedom that some people have started doing "charitar hannan" of Gurus (indicating to Guru Gobind Singh). He then again tries to instigate people against Sikh scholars who are researching on Dasam Granth by making the statement - "they are doing to because, perhaps they have come to know that the Sikhs are not longer the same Sikhs who would not tolerate any "ninda" of their Gurus.". He incites people further by using Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala's name and asking - "what would happen if these people, who say they used to be close to Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala, said it in front of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala?"
According to G. S. Lamba, anybody who is researching on content of Dasam Granth is just talking what Swami Dayanand Saraswati said. By this claim, G. S. Lamba is perhaps trying to cash on by creating another blind-folded hatred against the researchers on Dasam Granth. In fact, Swami Dayanand Saraswati would have been the happiest person on the earth to accept entire Dasam Granth. He would have been friends with G. S. Lamba et al and not the people with other point of view.
The most outrageous comment from G. S. Lamba in the video was: -
"Sri Dasam Granth di bani sadi jindagi da amal hai, eh sanu jeevandaan den layi hai. Sikh nu Sikh banan layi, Sikh nu Sikh kayam rakhan layi Eh bani Sri Dasam pita di bani bina, na kissey Sikh banaya ja sakda hai na kisey nu Sikh kayam rakhya ja sakda hia, is wich kisey kism da shak nahi reha"
What?? ..does that mean there were no Sikhs before Dasam Granth appeared on the scene?
On the question that he has not read AGGS and Dasam Granth he gives another funny statement - "Bilkul sahi, guru nu padya nahi ja sakda, guru ton padya ja sakda hai" One is left wondering - Does this statement answer what he pretends to answer by it?
Further in the video, he is saying that its was Akaal from whom Durga got "vardaan" and killed the "Rakshas". The question to ask G. S. Lamba is- does Gurbani agree with this view? Does gurbani agree that somebody can sit in "tapsya" and get special powers from God? G. S. Lamba also says in the video that the metaphorical sentence "Sawa Lakh Se Ik ladayoon" literally means the same.
Towards the end he is citing a chandd and is saying that - Guru Gobind Singh is asking the almighty for both - good and bad thoughts. Now this is shocking, G. S. Lamba should corroborate his claim by citing AGGS that Sikhs should deliberately ask for bad thoughts.
To summarize, G. S. Lamba in this video does not present even a single thought provoking argument in favor of his views. All that he does is an attempt to instigate violence against Sikh researchers who are working on authenticity of Dasam Granth.
For sake of readers who are unaware of the different threads in the forum on this seminar, the following information is reproduced: -
The seminar videos can be seen here:
1. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthinternationa/4527492983
2. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthinternationa/4527525513
G. S. Lamba is the last speaker in the video link #2 above. He is the current editor of magazine "Sant Sipahi". Sikhs should listen to videos to see what these "leaders" are saying and what they want you to believe.
In the video, G. S. Lamba is saying that just like Akaal Takhat is needed in addition to Golden Temple , Dasam Granth is needed in addition to AGGS. He says that things which have not been said clearly in AGGS have been told clearly in Dasam Granth. So according to G. S. Lamba, AGGS does not give clear message and Dasam Granth is needed to understand it. Then he says that we talk about 4 things. AGGS talks about dharam and moksh but it does not talk about the other 2 which are covered by Dasam Granth. I have not heard anything more illiterate than this. If Dasam Granth was intended to complete the voidness (according to G. S. Lamba), then does it mean the Guru Gobind Singh made mistake by not asking Sikhs to take Dasam Granth as Guru as well?
He says that AGGS is for all but Akal Takhat is for Sikhs only. And then says that -"Khalse de jede faraz hann, unna the prapti sanu sirf Dasam Granth ton hi prapat hovegi." This statement is nothing more than gobbledygook. What "farz" is he talking about here, one gets no idea?
He continues with funny statement that we have got so much freedom that some people have started doing "charitar hannan" of Gurus (indicating to Guru Gobind Singh). He then again tries to instigate people against Sikh scholars who are researching on Dasam Granth by making the statement - "they are doing to because, perhaps they have come to know that the Sikhs are not longer the same Sikhs who would not tolerate any "ninda" of their Gurus.". He incites people further by using Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala's name and asking - "what would happen if these people, who say they used to be close to Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala, said it in front of Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala?"
According to G. S. Lamba, anybody who is researching on content of Dasam Granth is just talking what Swami Dayanand Saraswati said. By this claim, G. S. Lamba is perhaps trying to cash on by creating another blind-folded hatred against the researchers on Dasam Granth. In fact, Swami Dayanand Saraswati would have been the happiest person on the earth to accept entire Dasam Granth. He would have been friends with G. S. Lamba et al and not the people with other point of view.
The most outrageous comment from G. S. Lamba in the video was: -
"Sri Dasam Granth di bani sadi jindagi da amal hai, eh sanu jeevandaan den layi hai. Sikh nu Sikh banan layi, Sikh nu Sikh kayam rakhan layi Eh bani Sri Dasam pita di bani bina, na kissey Sikh banaya ja sakda hai na kisey nu Sikh kayam rakhya ja sakda hia, is wich kisey kism da shak nahi reha"
What?? ..does that mean there were no Sikhs before Dasam Granth appeared on the scene?
On the question that he has not read AGGS and Dasam Granth he gives another funny statement - "Bilkul sahi, guru nu padya nahi ja sakda, guru ton padya ja sakda hai" One is left wondering - Does this statement answer what he pretends to answer by it?
Further in the video, he is saying that its was Akaal from whom Durga got "vardaan" and killed the "Rakshas". The question to ask G. S. Lamba is- does Gurbani agree with this view? Does gurbani agree that somebody can sit in "tapsya" and get special powers from God? G. S. Lamba also says in the video that the metaphorical sentence "Sawa Lakh Se Ik ladayoon" literally means the same.
Towards the end he is citing a chandd and is saying that - Guru Gobind Singh is asking the almighty for both - good and bad thoughts. Now this is shocking, G. S. Lamba should corroborate his claim by citing AGGS that Sikhs should deliberately ask for bad thoughts.
To summarize, G. S. Lamba in this video does not present even a single thought provoking argument in favor of his views. All that he does is an attempt to instigate violence against Sikh researchers who are working on authenticity of Dasam Granth.
For sake of readers who are unaware of the different threads in the forum on this seminar, the following information is reproduced: -
The seminar videos can be seen here:
1. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthinternationa/4527492983
2. http://www.sridasamgranth.com/#/sridasamgranthinternationa/4527525513
G. S. Lamba is the last speaker in the video link #2 above. He is the current editor of magazine "Sant Sipahi". Sikhs should listen to videos to see what these "leaders" are saying and what they want you to believe.
Friday, February 29, 2008
Wednesday, February 20, 2008
Real Face of G.S.Lamba (UnMasked Editor)
Please read articles on panthic.org against Prof. Darshan Singh Khalsahttp://www.panthic.org/news/131/ARTICLE/3866/2008-01-31.html
Answers to questions raised:
"If Prof. Darshan Singh did not mind holding talks with Dhar and Rode, what caused him to remain absent from the Sabo-Ki-Talwandi convention?"
Answer: Prof. Darshan is ready to debate on this issue only with one who thinks Guru Granth Sahib as Guru and not so-called Dasam Granth. If G.S.Lamba dare to accept this challenge come lets discuss...
"Prof. Darshan Singh’s decision to not attend the convention proves that his ultimate goal is not to resolve these issues, but to raise doubts in the minds of the Sangat."
If his aim is this then look at this poster below which depicts aim of Mr. Lamba & organizations like Panthic.org, Sant Sipahi.org
These people like G.S.Lamba & home-run organizations of him like IHRO & Panthic.org are using Gurbani & making fun of it against Prof.Sahib..
Our Gurbani cannot be used in such way like they are publishing articles like "ਗਿਆਨ ਵਿਹੂਣਾ ਗਾਵੈ ਗੀਤ ॥ ਭੁਖੇ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਘਰੇ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥"
Please judge yourself who is making fun of our true Guru "Guru Granth Sahib" by installing so called "Dasam Granth" in parallel to Guru Granth Sahib.
Guru Gobind Singh himself said "Sab Sikhan ko hukum hai, Guru Maneyo Granth" and these people are trying to prove them above Guru
Waheguru Mehar Kare
Panth Dardi
Rumours against Ragi Darshan Singh Khalsa
1) The first rumour about Prof. Darshan Singh is that he was denied the permission to do kirtan at Hazoor Sahib.
About this rumour, the renowned ragi informed that on the morning of his first day kirtan at Hazur Sahib he, during the explanatin of gurbani, told the sangat that every speaker is claiming that it was at Hazur Sahib where Guru Gobind Singh conferred guruship on guru granth sahib (at that time called 'adi granth'). He raised the question that whether the tenth Guru simultaneously conferred guruship on any other scripture or person? If not, then how comes that another scripture (read dasam granth) is being given the status of guru (at hazoor sahib by placing at par). The ragi said in his kirtan that he would expalin about the concepts of 'guruship' and the need to have 'guru' in the evening.
The management of hazur sahib became anxious that the prof. could create a public opion against their highly objectionable policy of creating a guru (dasam granth), parallel to guru granth sahib. They held a discussion with DSGMC president S. Paramjit Singh Sarna. Thereby, Mr. Sarna requested just to do kirtan in the evening and no 'explanation' should be done. The prof. denied to kirtan on conditional basis and didn't perform kirtan at all in the evening. The next day, he left back for New Delhi.
2) The seond rumour about the prof. is that he was denied permission to do kirtan at a gurdwara Guru Tegh Bahadur in Jalandhar.
About this rumour, Prof. Darshan Singh informed that the president of the above mentioned gurdwara had been requesting him for a long time to perform kirtan at this gurdwara. Accordingly, prof. Darshan Singh fixed the date of 13th Jan 08 to do kirtan at the above mentioned gurdwara. However, owing to the previous rumour, the president of the Gurdwara (Mr.Gaba)
got apprehensive and asked some other member to make a phone call to the professor.
The person requested the ragi not to take up the issue of 'Dasam Granth' during his kirtan at the Gurdwara. According to prof. Darshan Singh, he immediately told the committee member that he won't becoming to the gurdwara (to do kirtan under specific terms & conditions).
3) The third rumour is that Prof. Darshan Singh was even denied the permission to do kirtan at Darbar Sahib, Amritsar.
About this rumour, Prof. Darshan Singh revealed that he never had himself requested the SGPC for the permission about kirtan at Darbar Sahib. Instead, someone from Sikh sangat wished that and made a phone call to Jathedar Avtar Singh Makkar, making a request for the purpose. Makkar, on his part, said something highly uncivilised as his reply. The professor says that he does have the recording of this phone call but will release it in future, at an appropriate timing.
AUDIO RELEASED : http://www.mediafire.com/?9ymyuwuan1o
4) Another rumour (or well-planned propaganda) about Prof. Darshan Singh is that he is a hypocrite who earlier used to perform kirtan from the writings of Dasam Granth but now is preaching against them.
About this blame, Prof. Darshan Singh informed that in his opinion, only those writings of Dasam Granth can be read, sung and discussed, whose message is in line with the philosophy of Guru Granth Sahib. He, however added, that even these writings should be treated as literature and not as 'guru'. He said that if a person, organisation or gurudwara is indulged in giving guru like status(placing at par) to any other scripture than Guru Granth Sahib, then that person or institution is directly and intentionally violating the order of Guru Gobind Singh (about giving guruship only to 'Adi Granth'). He said that he is ready to discuss the topic of Dasam Granth with any 'Sikh' because this an issue of the Sikh community. He said that those challenging him for a public dialogue should just prove that they are Sikhs by acknowleding publicly that they do not treat any other scripture like guru, other than Guru Granth Sahib.
He requested that whether he himself is a good Sikh or bad Sikh, but he requests all the Sikhs that they should read and understand the messages of Guru Granth Sahib(Sampooran Guru ...Sarb Kala Samrath) during the current 'Shatabdi'.
So members of all online groups are requested to refrain from false propoganda against Prof. Darshan Singh . He is great Sikh Preacher . One may go through his latest audio collection on Guru Granth Sahib subjects covering Japji Sahib , Salok Mehla Nauva , His Sikh Thought collection also available on his official website.
IHRO & G.S.Lamba has been playing politics and their only motive is to preach Dasam Granth . They will indulge in all tactics to defame Gursikhs who don't follow Dasam Granth complete . Prof. Darshan has been preaching Guru Granth Sahib bani and will continue doing it irrespective of any lied rumours
(Editor)
New Delhi, India
We really feel sad that organizations like panthic.org, santsipahi where one of founder members is S. G.S.Lamba are also involved in false propoganda against Darshan Singh Khalsa and diverting youth from path of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji
I was searching net I found recording of 5th Jan program on site www.gaavosachibani. net of Prof. Sahib.. Please download and jugde yourself what he want to convey and what is understood by people against him
Darshan S Khalsa never criticized Banis of nitnem or specifically any bani, he want to convey the message that when Guru Gobind S has an authority to give gurship then why he didn't gave it to Dasam Granth, & after him no-one has authority to give true guruship to dasam granth or do prakash of dasam granth, secondly as there is no decision whether all banis in dasam granth are guru's bani or not then we should not follow or preach those banis which are not aligned with teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji...
We need to be united otherwise future of Sikhi is dark... Hard to say but indeed it is reality
About this rumour, the renowned ragi informed that on the morning of his first day kirtan at Hazur Sahib he, during the explanatin of gurbani, told the sangat that every speaker is claiming that it was at Hazur Sahib where Guru Gobind Singh conferred guruship on guru granth sahib (at that time called 'adi granth'). He raised the question that whether the tenth Guru simultaneously conferred guruship on any other scripture or person? If not, then how comes that another scripture (read dasam granth) is being given the status of guru (at hazoor sahib by placing at par). The ragi said in his kirtan that he would expalin about the concepts of 'guruship' and the need to have 'guru' in the evening.
The management of hazur sahib became anxious that the prof. could create a public opion against their highly objectionable policy of creating a guru (dasam granth), parallel to guru granth sahib. They held a discussion with DSGMC president S. Paramjit Singh Sarna. Thereby, Mr. Sarna requested just to do kirtan in the evening and no 'explanation' should be done. The prof. denied to kirtan on conditional basis and didn't perform kirtan at all in the evening. The next day, he left back for New Delhi.
2) The seond rumour about the prof. is that he was denied permission to do kirtan at a gurdwara Guru Tegh Bahadur in Jalandhar.
About this rumour, Prof. Darshan Singh informed that the president of the above mentioned gurdwara had been requesting him for a long time to perform kirtan at this gurdwara. Accordingly, prof. Darshan Singh fixed the date of 13th Jan 08 to do kirtan at the above mentioned gurdwara. However, owing to the previous rumour, the president of the Gurdwara (Mr.Gaba)
got apprehensive and asked some other member to make a phone call to the professor.
The person requested the ragi not to take up the issue of 'Dasam Granth' during his kirtan at the Gurdwara. According to prof. Darshan Singh, he immediately told the committee member that he won't becoming to the gurdwara (to do kirtan under specific terms & conditions).
3) The third rumour is that Prof. Darshan Singh was even denied the permission to do kirtan at Darbar Sahib, Amritsar.
About this rumour, Prof. Darshan Singh revealed that he never had himself requested the SGPC for the permission about kirtan at Darbar Sahib. Instead, someone from Sikh sangat wished that and made a phone call to Jathedar Avtar Singh Makkar, making a request for the purpose. Makkar, on his part, said something highly uncivilised as his reply. The professor says that he does have the recording of this phone call but will release it in future, at an appropriate timing.
AUDIO RELEASED : http://www.mediafire.com/?9ymyuwuan1o
4) Another rumour (or well-planned propaganda) about Prof. Darshan Singh is that he is a hypocrite who earlier used to perform kirtan from the writings of Dasam Granth but now is preaching against them.
About this blame, Prof. Darshan Singh informed that in his opinion, only those writings of Dasam Granth can be read, sung and discussed, whose message is in line with the philosophy of Guru Granth Sahib. He, however added, that even these writings should be treated as literature and not as 'guru'. He said that if a person, organisation or gurudwara is indulged in giving guru like status(placing at par) to any other scripture than Guru Granth Sahib, then that person or institution is directly and intentionally violating the order of Guru Gobind Singh (about giving guruship only to 'Adi Granth'). He said that he is ready to discuss the topic of Dasam Granth with any 'Sikh' because this an issue of the Sikh community. He said that those challenging him for a public dialogue should just prove that they are Sikhs by acknowleding publicly that they do not treat any other scripture like guru, other than Guru Granth Sahib.
He requested that whether he himself is a good Sikh or bad Sikh, but he requests all the Sikhs that they should read and understand the messages of Guru Granth Sahib(Sampooran Guru ...Sarb Kala Samrath) during the current 'Shatabdi'.
So members of all online groups are requested to refrain from false propoganda against Prof. Darshan Singh . He is great Sikh Preacher . One may go through his latest audio collection on Guru Granth Sahib subjects covering Japji Sahib , Salok Mehla Nauva , His Sikh Thought collection also available on his official website.
IHRO & G.S.Lamba has been playing politics and their only motive is to preach Dasam Granth . They will indulge in all tactics to defame Gursikhs who don't follow Dasam Granth complete . Prof. Darshan has been preaching Guru Granth Sahib bani and will continue doing it irrespective of any lied rumours
(Editor)
New Delhi, India
We really feel sad that organizations like panthic.org, santsipahi where one of founder members is S. G.S.Lamba are also involved in false propoganda against Darshan Singh Khalsa and diverting youth from path of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji
I was searching net I found recording of 5th Jan program on site www.gaavosachibani. net of Prof. Sahib.. Please download and jugde yourself what he want to convey and what is understood by people against him
Darshan S Khalsa never criticized Banis of nitnem or specifically any bani, he want to convey the message that when Guru Gobind S has an authority to give gurship then why he didn't gave it to Dasam Granth, & after him no-one has authority to give true guruship to dasam granth or do prakash of dasam granth, secondly as there is no decision whether all banis in dasam granth are guru's bani or not then we should not follow or preach those banis which are not aligned with teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji...
We need to be united otherwise future of Sikhi is dark... Hard to say but indeed it is reality
Subscribe to:
Posts (Atom)
